along with corrections were included in the document. My goal is the truth, which is why I have asked you and the church repeatedly to correct me and show me errors and mistakes for Another acquaintance was ex'd for a single adulterous affair 10 years previous to being called to be elders quorum president. The church claims to believe in free agency, but it doesn't. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and Sample 3: "Letter of resignation from mormon church". Regarding my Letter to a CES Director and the website where it is currently posted: I originally wrote the Letter to a CES Director because the CES Director, a friend of my grandfather, directly requested that I communicate my You ask: "Updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc.". Make the church admit that this is a central issue. A theme consistent in the conversations is Runnells' pleas for Ivins to answer his questions and Ivins' refusal to answer them. After continued resistance from Ivins, Runnells reminded Ivins that Runnells had waited patiently for a year and a half for Ivins to get back to him and thus People walk past Salt Lake temple as they arrive to attend the biannual general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah,on April 5, 2014. Jeremy T. Runnells is a critic of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and author of the book titled A Letter to a CES Director (later renamed CES Letter). It is a global issue for notice will be delivered to you regarding the scheduled disciplinary council. The intention of the website should not in any way be construed to exist for the purpose of hurting the Church or its More recently, a Mormon feminist, Kate Kelly, was excommunicated in 2014 after founding a movement that advocated for the ordination of women in the all-male LDS priesthood. For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. All I've wanted was the truth. The following is a video and transcript of Runnells' speech: I want to first thank each and every one of you for being here tonight. Fortunately, the Church has made inroads toward more transparency since then by publishing its new at (801) 240-3500 and ask them to check on it. In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter or on my website that I can publicly correct? Ivins replies back to Runnells' March 10, 2016 @ 3:04pm email with the following 5:02am email (screenshot): I appreciate your response to my email. If you allow yourself to be excommunicated, then the Church forever will claim that narrative in your life. You are asking me to limit and to obstruct not just my own free agency but the free agency of members and investigators of the church who also share the believe that leaders in the Church are kind, dedicated, loving, caring, well-meaning and very diligent servants to the members. The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? They refused to answer any members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. 77-23a-3,4 states that Utah is a One Party state and thus it is legal for an No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. me. ", -Jeremy Runnells' reaction to Kangaroo Court, "The real problem here is not whether I'm writing falsehoods or lies, I've never been accused of that, it's that I'm public about this information. Why won't you just answer my questions, President? I would need to receive that document at least three days before the council.". Church really fucked up here, this is making waves. Even with cochlear implants, Jeremy is legally deaf. I have seen hats but no cattle. In your letter, President, you stated the following: "As His representative in the stake where you reside, I want you to know that I stand ready to help you and your family in any way that I can.". Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. It means a lot. Excommunication is the most severe Church disciplinary action. Washington City resident Bill Reel, who . Actually, it is the slang for a 6 cylinder car, namely a 1968 Triumph TR250. A former bishop from Southern Utah who produces a podcast about LDS Church history announced Monday that he has been formally excommunicated. I am exercising my constitutional right to extract myself from this religion The evidence against the Book of Abraham is so damning that the church abandoned, through its essay, its long held position that Joseph Smith did a literal Hey I just wanted to put in my two cents. I excommunicate the church from my life. Therapists spend years getting former members to be able to reach this degree of clarity regarding their relationship to unethical controlling groups. month where he acknowledges this: "Gone are the days when a student asked an honest question and the teacher responded, 'Don't worry about it.' It's pure, willful and conscious dismissiveness on the part of church leadership. In fact, I recall asking you to give me the definition of "apostasy" from the Handbook after you accused me of it. Being excommunicated means that membership has officially been revoked. This is a story about how the Mormon Church treated Jeremy T. Runnells - who had questions and concerns about LDS Church truth claims - in its multiple attempts to intimidate, silence, censor, and excommunicate him. The great irony is that yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now today's church essay facts. These unofficial defenders of the church and their pet theories are no more legitimate or official than the wacky pet theories and claims of that weird old What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. disturbing. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. There was I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. I also very On Sunday, I will be tried in . However, because you're "not a historian," you were going Catholicism truly is the most beautiful thing I know. Excommunication is the most severe penalty that can be imposed by church leaders and effectively means that the exiled person is no longer a Mormon. Topics: It shackled you with the notion that the world was dark and lost for the express purpose of preventing you from seeing its light and findings your own way. To excommunicate me is an atrocious grotesque injustice. verified truth. It is worth bringing up current Church Historian Elder Steven Snow's comment again: "I think in the past there was a tendency to keep a lot of the records closed or at least not give access to information. If Joseph was a deceiver, who willfully attempted to President, as I've very clearly outlined in my March 7th letter to you, it is my strong position that I have done nothing wrong. I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. years to answer the questions as promised me. Additionally, its purpose is to have an open discussion In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet I mean, I don't know how to repent of - I've asked you over and over and over to tell me where I'm wrong. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. I still do not know what exactly I'm being charged with or why I'm being taken to a disciplinary council. pam. We are trying to respond to those problem Runnells sends Ivins one last letter in response to his latest disciplinary council letter seeking answers to his questions, Runnells also responds to several of Ivins' accussations against him, Ivins banned ASL interpreter in disciplinary council, Runnells shares ban with social media. Jeremy later received, through his attorney, an April 20, 2016 confirmation letter from the LDS Church verifying his resignation: "I don't know how to repent of the truth. Jeremy arrives at the American Fork East Stake Center @ 6pm and gives the following statement to the crowd gathered in the church parking lot before walking into his disciplinary council: Thank you all for coming tonight. I am resigning because I have come to learn for myself after years of asking for - and being promised - official answers that the LDS Church does not have ", https://www.facebook.com/runnells/posts/10158069407958737, "With its gentler approach, FAIR drops its snarky videos aimed at LDS Church critics", "Marvel Removes Anti-Mormon Reference from 'Amazing Spider-Man' Comic", "These Mormon twins worked together on an IRS whistleblower complaint over the church's billions and it tore them apart", "Mormons, Here's Why I Published the Revelations About the LDS Church's $100 Billion Stockpile", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeremy_Runnells&oldid=1141515508, This page was last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50. Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. Church foundational truth claims. action is needed or necessary. reference. an organization withholds, obstructs, inhibits, and censors information - positive or negative - from its members. The following are suggestions for writing a letter to the LDS . This is especially true in light of my verbal and written promise and willingness to These actions and very vague insinuations felt like a character assassination attempt on the part of you and the church by insinuating that I was questions and concerns to him in writing as part of his effort to potentially resolve my questions and concerns with the Church's origins and history. Runnells was shocked as he was expecting the meeting to be a continuation of their November 2, 2014 meeting where Ivins would follow up and return to last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to loved ones on a day set aside for commemorating love. A main theme of the letter is the belief of Runnells that the church knew unflattering aspects about its history but deliberately hid or misrepresented them. I resign morally clean, honest with myself and my fellowmen, and with a clear conscience knowing in my heart that I have done what is right and I'd do it Date. Front row: Jody England Hansen. My friend later became a bishop. or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. So the church doesn't believe in free agency. After the above press release by the CES Letter Foundation, Runnells emailed Ivins the following 3:25pm email (screenshot): My response to your news can be read here: https://cesletter.org/lds-church-postpones-court-of-love-against-jeremy-runnells.html. Natasha Helfer was . Richard Lyman, who held the rank of apostle in the church, was excommunicated in 1943. publicly correct them. Church members can be excommunicated if they apostatize from church teachings. You may appeal the decision of the disciplinary council to the First Presidency within 30 days. Fourth, The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest at work here, in which this stake president is the former boss of Helfers husband. It was not Christlike in any way. I also attend some of the Unfortunately, Earlier today before the Press Conference, Runnells received a job proposal from the LDS Church. I have desperately tried to get official answers from the church to these serious problems for several years now. Communicating with you through an ASL interpreter is not something that I am willing to do in the matters involved here. clear conscience. This Yet on October 22nd? Its the mortal wound they give you on the way out. For starters, its unclear to me why this disciplinary council was happening in that stake in the first place. who were asking them why they had doubts and concerns with the truth claims of the LDS Church. - but to threaten my membership instead. is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes situation has changed since our last meeting in the fall of 2014 as I recently lost half of my hearing. The only reason why my website exists in its current form today is because of FairMormon's unethical and hostile attack on me and I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. The following is a leaked video/audio recording of the disciplinary council. Natasha Helfer has become a prominent Mormon sex therapist because many people find her common-sense positions on issues like masturbation helpful and compassionate. The church called the police on the vigil attendees. seen as nothing short of Orwellian. These values are ingrained into my own DNA. I have a right to be present at any potential disciplinary council you hold against me to defend myself. Covenants are essentially nullified, thus lessening accountability. TL;DR literally stands for "Too Long; Didn't Read". This accusation demonstrates a Pre-Church Essays era ignorance and paradigm. "My experience with President Ivins, unfortunately, the past year and a half, is that he has never answered my questions. This is not and never has been my intention. years. refuses to stand behind. No communication or interaction took place between Runnells and Ivins between their October 19, 2014 meeting The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 50 East North Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84150 Website: www.lds.org The Human Rights Campaign reports on news, events and resources of the Human Rights Campaign Foundation that are of interest to the general public and further our common mission to support the LGBTQ+ community. following snippet: Immediately after you read "persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or higher authority," I immediately responded by stating to you repeatedly: "I am asking you to correct me and you are not correcting me.". thousands of questioning current and former LDS Church members. facts. delightful the beliefs.'" If a disciplinary council were held for my asking questions, pursuing truth and defending my name, the church would show that it was speaking out of both What questions am I being punished for asking? murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of There is no middle ground. Everything Joseph translated in the Book of Abraham, including the facsimiles, are incorrect as verified by My wife will not be attending but I will be bringing an ASL interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. blocking any information from the investigator is the minute that the investigation has been corrupted by the church and the free agency and You cannot paste images directly. Upon its public release, CES Letter went viral and immediately became a Mormon internet phenomenon, providing validation and support to tens of simply seeking official answers to church problems. In that letter and the excommunication letter, King did not mention same-sex marriage or female ordination among the reasons. He went through a lot of hell, but to this day is still a member and a non-excommunicant (never ex'd). be unable to receive and sign any certified mail. I would like to meet You ask: "Explain your seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have with Church - Book of Abraham. that the church does not have answers. The other two require a court, because it does become part of the record. Let that statement be the one that starts you out on a life which is determined by your own conscience, will and judgment. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My If there is anything we can do to This was the catalyst and beginning of the CES Letter Runnells - I was hoping to meet with you this week but it appears that is not possible. The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. In the mid-20th century the church began to forcefully discipline Mormon intellectuals who challenged the orthodox view of history. hearing that I myself terminated in disgust with my own resignation. I don't want you to go to the trouble or expense of obtaining an ASL interpreter. doctrine. A director of institute of the LDS Church's Church Educational System (CES) asked him to write his concerns, and in response Runnells sent an 84-page letter with his concerns. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. She tried several things to humanize the situation, like talking to the doorkeeper and explaining how she had gotten a blessing from her own stake president before coming to Kansas and had prayed that they would all be able to see one another beyond their divisions. non-transparency. attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. Mormon church leaders have restated the faith's unequivocal position against gay marriage in a letter to members in Argentina, where the government is debating whether to . The minute that the church interferes with a member's or investigator's investigation by withholding or I am a product of Mormonism. you are taking these actions to extensively publicize your views. Since you are not in the U.S., you need to ascertain that information about your country. Why haven't you given me The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". distributing your materials about the Church to others" is to censor sincere questions as well as hard facts and truths (and its open discussion in the I trust that you will be honorable and As an act of good faith, while our dialogue takes place, your CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect., will be Steve Bloor: Former Mormon bishop critical of church accuses it of 'excommunication by the backdoor' The 51-year-old podiatrist said he was told last week that his name had been removed from the . - D. Michael Quinn, former assistant to LDS Church Historian Leonard Arrington, "There must be no forbidden questions in Mormonism." Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord's commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. My direct contact information is listed below. I have also recently had ear surgery that I am still The. Front row: Jody England Hansen. My wife and I were sealed in the Temple yet she only received a formal probation. [4], The CES Letter outlines a large list of issues Runnells has with LDS Church beliefs and its historical narrative. Later this evening (February 9, 2016) @ 7:40pm, CES Letter Foundation issued a press release announcing the upcoming Valentine's Day disciplinary obedience and conformity over the pursuit of truth and virtue of individual free agency. Your link has been automatically embedded. Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. Out of curiosity, do they make those numbers public or do you have a source? The following brief video is a great observation of this entire process: Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. This offer still stands today. The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. As mentioned above, the CES Letter went viral online because of other people who also share the same questions and concerns I do, independent of my Ditto for Debunking FairMormon's Debunking and my responses to other the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and that many members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. Then help me. First sold to Steven Christensen, a Mormon bishop and document collector (whom Hofmann would later kill with a bomb in 1985), the "salamander letter" purports to be written by Martin Harris. activities of the Church such as Father and Son outings, Halloween activities, Christmas activities, etc. I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lords commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. including translations. This directly contradicts the Book of Mormon itself: "Neither the rules nor the translations in the grammar book correspond to those recognized by Egyptologists todayScholars have identified the papyrus [15], Writer Jana Riess has argued that the impact of the CES Letter has been overstated, yet important. 1. you cant discipline someone who no longer belongs to your organization. truth, most of which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. And good comeback. To claim or imply that the acceptance of donations is wrong for CES Letter Foundation but totally okay for organizations like FairMormon The LDS church announced that Elder James Hamula had been released from his role in the church's leadership "following church disciplinary action." I do disagree with many of the things The real question here is whether Elder Ballard really means what he said when he told us to "master" the church's essays and to discuss the issues. The following is a scanned copy of the certified letter that I received from Ivins a few days later. I have asked you 3 questions over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. I will be out of the country between March 25, 2016 to April 5, 2016 and will have very limited, if any, access to email and phone. Doubt your doubts, God not Google, stay on the boat rather than to seek and accept truth no matter All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. Also attached is my November 2, 2014 letter to you for your me exactly what the charges are and why disciplinary action is being taken against me. The Church really does not have answers to its truth crisis, The Church will attempt to destroy the messenger rather than address the message. Rather than answering the questions, you went ahead and followed your year and a half pattern of consistently refusing to answer my sincere questions while Runnells received no text reply back from Ivins' secretary. chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt church teachings. As an LDS church seminary teacher, Nelson experienced his LDS faith crisis. The following is the PDF letter Runnells attached to the email to Ivins: I received your letter announcing a disciplinary council to be held against me on April 17, 2016. Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. Below the presidency is the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, the church's second-highest governing body that travels across the world to address and advise local fellowships. Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally accepted by Ivins. Gone are the days when a student raised a council on Valentine's evening. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." Take notice that several of the above quotes invite and encourage investigation. electronic or otherwise. 2. Sam Young, a former Mormon bishop from Sugar Land, read a church letter announcing the decision . FAIR Director Scott Gordon announced that moving forward they were "avoiding personal attacks or derogatory language," while acknowledging that "the 'CES Letter' response videos received more views than any other videos we have with over 200,000 views. I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. The decision has been made to release everything to the public due to the extremely alarming and disturbing conduct on the part of the Stake President and To start our dialogue, I would like you to send me a letter or email by March 10th explaining to me what you are trying to accomplish in posting During these discussions Runnells sought answers for questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays (http://lds.org/topics/essays). High Priest guy that everyone rolls their eyes to in Sunday School (every ward seems to have one). Why are you treating me like a criminal when I am not one? on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. No response ever came. Expressed opposition to Church leaders, including the Prophet Joseph Smith. Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. Smith and LDS origins, doctrine, and history and after years of silence from the CES Director and leaders of the church (including a Church Historian and - President J. Reuben Clark, "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. I followed the counsel of my leaders and my patriarchal blessing to search for truth wherever it may be found. I have asked questions over and over for the last three years and a year and a half with the stake president and they have not answered one question. I believe I have answered all of your questions. [12], The CES Letter, along with a book published by Egyptologist Robert K. Ritner and the reactions generated by apologists were influential in the 2014 release by the LDS Church of an essay addressing historical difficulties in the Book of Abraham. Resolve your doubts. the disciplinary council scheduled for February 14th. its source and where it leads. I trust that the above may be of assistance in assuring that you accurately understand my answers to your questions. listeners to "know the content in these essays like you know the back of your hand.". process of translation of the Book of Mormon. themselves have published most of the issues found in my 80 page CES Letter followed by their unofficial, uneven, and unsatisfying "answers" and pet 1. After speaking with President Mark Ivins and the High Council tonight, it became very clear to me that it was a kangaroo court. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. the free agency of members of the church. If it would not crush my parents, I would have used quitmormon already. all over again. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Ivins emailed the very next morning at 5am after my press release announcing that he decided to postpone the Valentine's Day evening court of love to March 20th. Middle row: Jennifer White, Jana Spangler, Natasha Helfer, and Kattie Niu Mount. I look forward to your response and hope that your hearing situation is not permanent and that you will soon be able to function without any No response ever came. Jeremy Runnells: Great. I do so look forward to reviewing my answers to your you told me in our last meeting that you thought I'm a good man. https://t.co/DXvx3xAGfT pic.twitter.com/fU7v7ZjuzU. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". By laying out these two But according to Spangler, thats apparently what this stake president did, communicating to the witnesses left outside in the parking lot that there would be one hour allotted and no more. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, This essay statement directly contradicts the statement found in the Book of Abraham: "The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus." today's church essays facts. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. 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