Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. .280 AI hands-down. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. for my brand of hunting. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. You are using an out of date browser. Full-magnum action long. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. You are using an out of date browser. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. And that means more powder. Trustpilot. Supporter. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. rick smith. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. Which one would you choose and why? Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Thanks. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. You must log in or register to reply here. Full Member. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. 180-gr. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. $81.95. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Mag. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. Clear winner. My vote would be 7RM as well. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. 7mm Rem. Mag. Mag. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Your results may vary. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. . Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. $94.95 $79.95. $89.95. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. We use cookies to make your experience better. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. . I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. . M700 shooting 180-gr. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. . Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . 92 grs. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . How bout building a 280AI. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. You must log in or register to reply here. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. without laser assistance. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. 6.5 PRC. Trustpilot. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? JavaScript is disabled. My vote would be for the 7 saum. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. &mm PRC. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. Ban sober drivers from driving. Mag. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. These are some impressive numbers. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. New member question. Mag. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. Ballistic twins. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. ADG 300 . Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. Definitely go 26" on the barrel. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. So how do you choose among these three? To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. The SAUM will be built on a long action. | We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. You must log in or register to reply here. Mag. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Mag. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Buy Now. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Going to be used from antelope to elk. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) And in the chambers of their rifles. 7mm Rem. All rights reserved. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. It may not display this or other websites correctly. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Buy Now. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. That's how gun control works.". Reactions: Zeroit. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. I did 7remmag. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Qty: Add to cart . Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Clearly the 7mm Rem. . I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. and a high B.C. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. You say it's long action. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. $120.95. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions.